If you can get the Starter Edition where you live, are the other editions (Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate) also available in your country (legally)? And what is the price difference?
Windows Vista Starter Edition
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Windows Vista Starter Edition
Does anyone here use it? I'm curious about the 3-program-limitation. What happens if you try to open 4 instances of notepad? Does having MSN run in the background count as a program? Your virus scanner another? Explorer the 3rd?
If you can get the Starter Edition where you live, are the other editions (Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate) also available in your country (legally)? And what is the price difference?
If you can get the Starter Edition where you live, are the other editions (Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate) also available in your country (legally)? And what is the price difference?
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This is pretty low, even for Microsoft. "Starter Edition for India"? Ooookaayy..... How is this an incentive to 'gogenuine'?
I can see it now: "Okay. I've got Vista Ultimate right now....but I'm going to switch to Starter India so I can use 3 programs at a time and be 'good'!"
Yeah.
I've never heard of this before...
This is pretty low, even for Microsoft. "Starter Edition for India"? Ooookaayy..... How is this an incentive to 'gogenuine'?
I can see it now: "Okay. I've got Vista Ultimate right now....but I'm going to switch to Starter India so I can use 3 programs at a time and be 'good'!"
Yeah.
I've never heard of this before...
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I still can't grasp the fact that people are infact using it. I know i never will.
I do however use Windows xp (and Debian) and all though i'm not exactly a microshaft supporter i must say that it has held up nicely and now sp3 is comming which should include huge performance improvements. I guess i'll have to get an up to date version, maybe if im lucky i can get hold on a 64bit version?
I still can't grasp the fact that people are infact using it. I know i never will.
I do however use Windows xp (and Debian) and all though i'm not exactly a microshaft supporter i must say that it has held up nicely and now sp3 is comming which should include huge performance improvements. I guess i'll have to get an up to date version, maybe if im lucky i can get hold on a 64bit version?
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I think the main downfall is the limit on the number of programs. E.g. if you can only run 3 programs at once, wouldn't it force most users to pirate a copy of a higher edition of Vista?
I read a review about how they've taken out "advanced" features that'd confuse new users (e.g. undocking the task bar), and I can understand that, but I don't understand why they limit things (such a 1GB of memory, 250GB of hard drive, 800x600 screen resolution, 3 running programs).
A lot of the target market probably will not understand what a pixel is, but there should still be an advanced option to change it for larger screens.
The limit on memory and hard drive size doesn't have much purpose. I know these are designed for lower-end systems, but why limit the maximum? I don't think having more internal memory or more hard drive space is going to confuse the user. Maybe they're trying to limit it so everyone has the same sort of system to avoid domestic fights:
"I spent a year's wage on my $300 computer."
"Yeah, well I spent $2,000 on mine."
":("
The reason for the 3 program limitation was described at "this should be sufficient for most users." Sure, but why limit it? If Microsoft want to increase productivity in these countries, why do they not just let them run as many programs as they like at once? Or at least have an option to unlock it. I think this is the worst limitation and probably the largest factor motivating users to pirate higher editions of Vista.
I read a review about how they've taken out "advanced" features that'd confuse new users (e.g. undocking the task bar), and I can understand that, but I don't understand why they limit things (such a 1GB of memory, 250GB of hard drive, 800x600 screen resolution, 3 running programs).
A lot of the target market probably will not understand what a pixel is, but there should still be an advanced option to change it for larger screens.
The limit on memory and hard drive size doesn't have much purpose. I know these are designed for lower-end systems, but why limit the maximum? I don't think having more internal memory or more hard drive space is going to confuse the user. Maybe they're trying to limit it so everyone has the same sort of system to avoid domestic fights:
"I spent a year's wage on my $300 computer."
"Yeah, well I spent $2,000 on mine."
":("
The reason for the 3 program limitation was described at "this should be sufficient for most users." Sure, but why limit it? If Microsoft want to increase productivity in these countries, why do they not just let them run as many programs as they like at once? Or at least have an option to unlock it. I think this is the worst limitation and probably the largest factor motivating users to pirate higher editions of Vista.
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A 3 program limit with less than 1 gig of ram with vista sounds about right.
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If they didn't impose limits what would people buy better versions for? I still can't believe they have limited screen resolution to 800x600 though, IMHO they might have shot themselves in the foot there as it won't show off the graphics as well as it could. Plus stupid people will think their graphics card isn't good enough.MessiahAndrw wrote:I think the main downfall is the limit on the number of programs. E.g. if you can only run 3 programs at once, wouldn't it force most users to pirate a copy of a higher edition of Vista?
I read a review about how they've taken out "advanced" features that'd confuse new users (e.g. undocking the task bar), and I can understand that, but I don't understand why they limit things (such a 1GB of memory, 250GB of hard drive, 800x600 screen resolution, 3 running programs).
A lot of the target market probably will not understand what a pixel is, but there should still be an advanced option to change it for larger screens.
The limit on memory and hard drive size doesn't have much purpose. I know these are designed for lower-end systems, but why limit the maximum? I don't think having more internal memory or more hard drive space is going to confuse the user. Maybe they're trying to limit it so everyone has the same sort of system to avoid domestic fights:
"I spent a year's wage on my $300 computer."
"Yeah, well I spent $2,000 on mine."
":("
The reason for the 3 program limitation was described at "this should be sufficient for most users." Sure, but why limit it? If Microsoft want to increase productivity in these countries, why do they not just let them run as many programs as they like at once? Or at least have an option to unlock it. I think this is the worst limitation and probably the largest factor motivating users to pirate higher editions of Vista.
I haved used vista but swapped back to XP x64 because it's paging/scheduling policy changes were totally killing gaming performance. That and the 1/2gig kernel. Through my uni I can get licences for all versions of windows plus office and visual studio
harharhar (And it's vista business N, with the aero nonsense).
I'm looking at building a new PC and putting Vista on it, but am concerned about this too. I had heard, though, that XP-64 was equally bad for gaming performance (not least because of the hassle of getting 64 bit drivers for gaming hardware) - is that stil the case or does your comment indicate that 64 bit drivers are more prolific now?JamesM wrote: I haved used vista but swapped back to XP x64 because it's paging/scheduling policy changes were totally killing gaming performance.
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Turn of a service called "SuperFetch" and the problem with the thing swapping while trying to run something real-time (audio, games..) solves itself almost completely.
Other than that, and a couple of explorer bugs when it comes to SMB shares, I much prefer Vista over W2k (and I still prefer W2k over XP)..
Obviously some software doesn't work properly, but more often than not it's the software's fault, not Vista's.
As for 64-bit... I wouldn't bother on the desktop.. not yet..
Other than that, and a couple of explorer bugs when it comes to SMB shares, I much prefer Vista over W2k (and I still prefer W2k over XP)..
Obviously some software doesn't work properly, but more often than not it's the software's fault, not Vista's.
As for 64-bit... I wouldn't bother on the desktop.. not yet..
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i agree with mystran:
i love vista, its really good
the reason for the hardware limits on vista starter, is that starter edition is meant to be sold only to people who make less than $100 a year (well, maybe not quite that low, but you know what i mean...) -- its meant as a cheaper version, for use in countries where significant numbers of people have very little income -- if you can afford a better computer than that, you shouldnt be using starter edition
i love vista, its really good
the reason for the hardware limits on vista starter, is that starter edition is meant to be sold only to people who make less than $100 a year (well, maybe not quite that low, but you know what i mean...) -- its meant as a cheaper version, for use in countries where significant numbers of people have very little income -- if you can afford a better computer than that, you shouldnt be using starter edition
Well we could hate Vista and try to think we are never going to use it but that happened to me when I was using Windows 98. I didn't want to stop using Windows 98 because it booted faster on my system compared to XP. Then I went to college and had to use JBuilder and some other software. The problem was that for instance, JBuilder didn't run on Windows 98. So I had to switch to Windows XP.
I think it is a genius marketing idea to literally "force" people to use the new technology. I like this about Microsoft. They are making money with this which I believe is the aim of the game. 14 billion USD net income in 2007. That speaks for itself. There is pretty much nothing anybody could do to protest against Microsoft's policies. After all, almost all hardware companies actually depend on Microsoft's new OS releases to sell their products.
I remember before, an OS used to celebrate its compatibility with a hardware. Now look at Graphic Adapters for example! You can read in the package "Vista Compatible". This is Microsoft's policy and I like this. It is genius. That's what I like about Microsoft. They make money with what they do. They have a value for the time they spend on making products.
As for Vista, that's again a really genius idea to release such a thing for Indians because as far as I know, India doesn't adhere to copyright laws. They could get the starter version and if they like the Operating System, they could buy the full version. This also happened in China (or some other similar place in Asia) I believe. Microsoft knew they didn't have copyright laws so instead of letting other people sell Windows' pirated copies, they went there and sold their own products for like 10 dollars. That's what it's all about. Making money.
As for Linux trying to compete with Microsoft: I think they are not really comparable. I think of Linux as "Yet another Operating System".
I think it is a genius marketing idea to literally "force" people to use the new technology. I like this about Microsoft. They are making money with this which I believe is the aim of the game. 14 billion USD net income in 2007. That speaks for itself. There is pretty much nothing anybody could do to protest against Microsoft's policies. After all, almost all hardware companies actually depend on Microsoft's new OS releases to sell their products.
I remember before, an OS used to celebrate its compatibility with a hardware. Now look at Graphic Adapters for example! You can read in the package "Vista Compatible". This is Microsoft's policy and I like this. It is genius. That's what I like about Microsoft. They make money with what they do. They have a value for the time they spend on making products.
As for Vista, that's again a really genius idea to release such a thing for Indians because as far as I know, India doesn't adhere to copyright laws. They could get the starter version and if they like the Operating System, they could buy the full version. This also happened in China (or some other similar place in Asia) I believe. Microsoft knew they didn't have copyright laws so instead of letting other people sell Windows' pirated copies, they went there and sold their own products for like 10 dollars. That's what it's all about. Making money.
As for Linux trying to compete with Microsoft: I think they are not really comparable. I think of Linux as "Yet another Operating System".
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Well i know im not going to use viste... ever!
Ill hang on to xp as long as i can and when there is no more support ill maybe go 2003 server (if still in existence) and when a proper windows version is released (i really dont think vista qualifys) ill probably use that, otherwise ill go pure linux.
Ill hang on to xp as long as i can and when there is no more support ill maybe go 2003 server (if still in existence) and when a proper windows version is released (i really dont think vista qualifys) ill probably use that, otherwise ill go pure linux.
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