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 Post subject: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:29 pm 
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Microsoft is buying GitHub, 15K project is migrating from GitHub to GitLab, really guys?
I saw Klange's os migrating to GitLab, I wonder how evil is Microsoft, why 'most' Linux devs hate Microsoft so much that they are leaving GitHub when they knew Microsoft is buying it?

Tbh, this shows how Microsoft is considered a 'Villain' to most Linux users....

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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:21 pm 
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I wouldn't call Microsoft evil, imo that should be reserved for companies that ruin people's lives, like Nestle, or exploit the environment, like Nestle, and not those that ruined businesses in the 90s. Microsoft is a massive, fractured organization as shown in the following:

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where one single word can't be accurately applied to the entire thing. You can certainly make the case for how certain factions are doing poorly, but generally their 'DevDiv' faction has been consistently nailing it for a while now, and I imagine they would have some influence in this. I think the mass exodus is a bit of an overreaction. Microsoft has been spending a lot of time and resources trying to build developer good-will. Sadya et al have been slowly adjusting the company's course and changing their internal corporate culture. They know that they are bleeding developers and need to change to bring them back, they know that there are many people who will never forget the 90's, they know that they have to tread carefully and not screw things up. Does it make any logical sense to spend over $7 billion and then literally throw everything away by doing something to ruin GitHub, or to make people lose trust in GitHub? It would be corporate suicide. I predict any changes will be very boring, very corporate-speak filled, and be limited to "Oh we integrated GitHub with X".

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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:30 pm 
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While it's fair to be suspicious if MS, particularly with regard to free and open software, which they've never really supported (hardly unique to them). I do think the hatred of MS is vastly over the top. They engaged in some monopolistic practises in the past, but they got rightfully slapped down for it and they really haven't done anything nasty for a while.

The "Linux dev" crowd has a very vocal segment that seems to think software and OSs aren't tools to take or leave, but important aspects of who they are as people. As a result they feel the need to assign moral value to OS usage, and by extension the companies that make them. Like political party hacks who don't care about policy or philosophy, just defending their "teams" failings while celebrating the failings of their opponents.

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Some companies do truly evil things, however even these are usually things that all companies in their field will do, and so defining the company as "evil" seems to me to be missing the point somewhat. Companies are no more capable of being evil than of being good, if they can be considered independent actors at all then they should be thought of as sociopathic. They are incapable, by design, of empathy or compassion. The only metric that a company is truly measured on is profit, and there are always more efficient ways of generating profits by exploiting people than there are by serving them. Look, for example, at Apple. Remember how Apple got blasted for a while in the media for using Foxconn to assemble some part of a iPhone. The thing is, almost all consumer electronics companies have Foxconn, or a similar organisation, in their supply chain. Is Apple evil for using Foxconn to assemble iPhones? Is Gigabyte evil for using them to assemble motherboards? Of course not, Apple got blasted because of the juxtaposition of their exploitative manufacturing practices with their trendy, "woke" image. This isn't to downplay what they do, which is horrific, but I think it hurts more than helps to hold onto the idea that companies have morals and personalities like people, that they can be good or evil.
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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:36 am 
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My gods some of you Linux people. There are much bigger actual problems to get uppity about.

Microsoft is a decent company with a flawed past that has gotten really damn good in the past few years overall. They're directly responsible for the software that powered the personal computer revolution, and yes, that means the processes and improvements that led to your precious do-no-wrong morally-just free software operating system environment.

It astounds me that Free Software people scream hatred at Microsoft every time they remember Redmond, WA is a city that exists while simultaneously claiming to be the good guys in some neolithic-grade shi´╗┐t-disturbing competition that only one side is engaging in. And yet the great evil continues to open source major parts of its previously closed proprietary systems, tools, and even entire environments for some reason. Clearly, it must be some nefarious plot.

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