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 Post subject: are ARM dev board are always better for IoT like development
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:45 pm 
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I might be doing some IoT related projects in the future. I am too much used to x86 development and almost paid no attention to ARM SOC design. I know the ARM is better for embedded, low power and IoT design in general but last time I have developed with ARM like Mcu was 10 years ago with Texas Instrument and it has gotten way too foreign to me. So I am considering to use x86 option and looking at x86 development option, I see Intel Quark dev boards. Are they competitive at all to ARM in terms of low cost, performance etc.,?

I may end up working on some low-power application with multi color LCD display unit. To speed the development process as much as possible, I'd really like to use Python with built-in libraries (Specially when LCD display is concerned and also for interacting with other SOC components) although I have experience in C and asm.

I am not sure any x86 development board is available to fit this bill.
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 Post subject: Re: are ARM dev board are always better for IoT like develop
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:18 am 
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I have several ARM based boards that I've played around with that cost between $8 and $35. The cheapest x86 board that I've found is around $100, so price-wise there is really no comparison. I also doubt you can run an x86 board off of a USB power cable.

Python should be available for any ARM board you can buy today. Unfortunately, x86 boards just can't compete in this area, especially considering that I can get a $150 laptop at Best Buy for just a few dollars more than a Quark board.

I'd love to have a $25 x86 based board, but I have yet to find one.

Edit: It looks like you can get a Galileo 2nd gen board for around $60, now. So that may be an option. However it does not come with wifi or Bluetooth or onboard storage, all of which my $8 CHIP boards have built in. So still not really in the same ballpark. But on the plus side, you can install windows, and write C++ applications and remote debug using visual studio, so it may be worth the extra $$.

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SpyderTL wrote:
I have several ARM based boards that I've played around with that cost between $8 and $35. The cheapest x86 board that I've found is around $100, so price-wise there is really no comparison. I also doubt you can run an x86 board off of a USB power cable.

Python should be available for any ARM board you can buy today. Unfortunately, x86 boards just can't compete in this area, especially considering that I can get a $150 laptop at Best Buy for just a few dollars more than a Quark board.

I'd love to have a $25 x86 based board, but I have yet to find one.

Edit: It looks like you can get a Galileo 2nd gen board for around $60, now. So that may be an option. However it does not come with wifi or Bluetooth or onboard storage, all of which my $8 CHIP boards have built in. So still not really in the same ballpark. But on the plus side, you can install windows, and write C++ applications and remote debug using visual studio, so it may be worth the extra $$.


Do you have a link for the $8 ARM?

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They're actually $9. I got mine on sale for $8 :)

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 Post subject: Re: are ARM dev board are always better for IoT like develop
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SpyderTL wrote:
I have several ARM based boards that I've played around with that cost between $8 and $35. The cheapest x86 board that I've found is around $100, so price-wise there is really no comparison. I also doubt you can run an x86 board off of a USB power cable.

Python should be available for any ARM board you can buy today. Unfortunately, x86 boards just can't compete in this area, especially considering that I can get a $150 laptop at Best Buy for just a few dollars more than a Quark board.

I'd love to have a $25 x86 based board, but I have yet to find one.

Edit: It looks like you can get a Galileo 2nd gen board for around $60, now. So that may be an option. However it does not come with wifi or Bluetooth or onboard storage, all of which my $8 CHIP boards have built in. So still not really in the same ballpark. But on the plus side, you can install windows, and write C++ applications and remote debug using visual studio, so it may be worth the extra $$.


I think that is good point, the intel is far power punch applications like servers. Although later chips and CPUs have a deeper sleep states to conserve power.

And I think entry barrier is too high.

Perhaps may be spend time to get hands dirty on ARM architecture :D
You design your stuff on development board how do you make it into production?
Anyone has gone through this stage to reach marketable product?

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