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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:49 am 
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Tbh, this shows how Microsoft is considered a 'Villain' to most Linux users....
And to MacOSX, BSD, AmigaOS, Solaris, etc. etc. etc. users too, not to mention their own Win users.

Just ask these questions to yourself:
1. has M$ used dirty tools against its rivals? (Think about Commodore)
2. did M$ illegaly force the market to accept it's monopoly? (Think about government scandals in many countries)
3. did M$ had questionable acquisitions? (Think about VMS developers and WinNT)
4. does M$ collect telemetry on it's users without their consent? (Since GDPR, this is literally a crime in the EU)

(If it may seem I'm against M$, let's make it clear that I think Canonical, RH, G, FB, Apple etc. are equally evil. Come on, do you think it's a coincidence that G had "don't be evil" removed from their slogen??? Hahaha).

Any organization that thinks profit is more important than moral or following the law is evil, period.

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bzt

ps.: and no, one cannot seriously expect an avarage user to know how to use wireshark and port blocking. That would be equal to expecting every car driver to know how to fix the carburator.


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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:04 am 
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Every time I hear evidence of how evil Microsoft are, there's evidence I haven't heard before.

I'm not sure it's possible for a publicly-traded company to be not-evil any more; not the big ones anyway. All their shareholders and the traders representing them would have to be moderate people with modest ambitions.

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ps.: and no, one cannot seriously expect an avarage user to know how to use wireshark and port blocking. That would be equal to expecting every car driver to know how to fix the carburator.

Very much agreed.


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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:43 am 
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I'm not sure it's possible for a publicly-traded company to be not-evil any more
Which is possibly a more interesting observation to look at than simply pinning Forum's Favourite with the problem.

The real question is: can you actually be at the top without leaving bodies somewhere? Are there correlations and causalities between corruption, plutocracy, the disappearing middle class and the political system (of the US in particular. Face it: all the names mentioned come from there). Hard evidence is difficult with all the interdependencies, but there seems to at least be a self-sustaining "evil" embedded in the system.

At least my opinion is that raging against microsoft is wasted effort for the real problem.

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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:04 am 
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The real question is: can you actually be at the top without leaving bodies somewhere? Are there correlations and causalities between corruption, plutocracy, the disappearing middle class and the political system (of the US in particular. Face it: all the names mentioned come from there). Hard evidence is difficult with all the interdependencies, but there seems to at least be a self-sustaining "evil" embedded in the system.
True, and unfortunately this is not an US-only problem, although it seems evil is largely fueled by US companies all around the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2016-11/26/content_39791599.htm
https://observer.com/2017/11/apple-illegally-used-student-labor-in-china-to-fulfill-iphone-x-orders/
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/world/asia/01china.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/03/06/links-6-march-microsoft-fined-e-561-million-by-the-european-commission/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/google-gets-56-8-million-fine-as-france-uses-new-eu-privacy-law
https://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/intel/ (on Intel violating Minix license, not to mention the security concerns about running a hidden OS without user's consent)

Not a representative list, it can be that mostly abuses related to US companies are given a large publicity. Does not mean there are no others.

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At least my opinion is that raging against microsoft is wasted effort for the real problem.
True, it won't solve the real problem as a whole. But that's not a reason to give up either. It is not a wasted effort in any way imho, fight the devils you know. #deletefacebook too.

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 Post subject: Re: How evil is microsoft?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:13 am 
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Combuster wrote:
At least my opinion is that raging against microsoft is wasted effort for the real problem.

I believe so. In fact, I believe what the Bible says at 1 John 5:19, "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." That being the case, it's no wonder that the major power structures and influences on this world should reflect the Devil's attitude.


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